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 Post subject: Appeals help!
 Post Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:58 am 
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So can anybody offer any tips and advice on the appeals process, as many parents will be tearing their hair out at the moment writing their appeal letters. So if you have been through the procedure before or have experience in this field please feel free to post on here with your tips, it would be very much appreciated by all. :D


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 Post subject: Re: Appeals help!
 Post Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 12:21 pm 
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Hi, we have just been through the appeals process and I am happy to say that we have been successful. :lol: I would just like to say that we found excellent advice on the other site (schoolsappeals) and it was well worth the fiver to read a simple version of the appeals code that breaks down a tick list. It formed the basis of our statement. We also used one of their solicitors at a cost of £240 and found his advice and support very welcome and most valuable. He also advised against us asking him to represent us as you stand a better chance representing yourself if you follow his advice. Nor did he attempt to fleece us further by charging for the 2nd stage advice. He felt that we know our child best and are in the best position to answer any questions. None of this is handed to you on a plate, you have to put in the ground work yourselves. Each case is different, personal and individual to you.

It is really tough, you shouldn't take any factors for granted. Like the teacher on another forum, we were congratulated by the appeals panel for presenting a complete and comprehensive statement that was easy to follow.

I wouldn't offer to post this statement as your cases are individual and personal and I wouldn't want you to be influenced by anything that pertained specifically to us.

With hindsight, taking the time to prepare a comprehensive statement served a number of purposes. It focussed us on why we wanted our child to get into that school and it shows respect to the appeals panel. Remember, they are all volunteers giving their time up freely. They don't automatically have to allocate a place to your child just because you say so. It also helps to identify areas in the first stage of the appeal that you want to "push" or focus on when questioning the school/panel/LA.

Think of about 3 good reasons why your child should go to their first choice school. Reasons that don't apply to anyone else or at least a very few. For example our child was one of only 3 children under the admissions criteria not to have gained a place at her first choice school. We used that information as compelling evidence. Travel to the school was another point and her own individual needs was the basis of our case. We have no medical records, but could refer to incidents of bullying, emotional stress and negative effects on her education that other children were not affected by.

Gather evidence, medical records, ofsted reports, the school prospectus, travel information, anything and everything.

The best advice I can offer anyone based on our experience is to research, research and research again. Read the Admissions Code, the school appeals code, look at the schools prospectus, compare if possible ofsted reports. Remember ALWAYS that your appeal is for the school that you wish your child to attend, not about why you don't want your child to go to the other schools. Distance from the school is a very weak argument. You need to find the language that the panel understands. In our case, the allocated secondary school is in our catchment area and closer to where we live. We wanted our child to go to a school outside of our catchment area. The case for the LA was to argue that we were closer to the allocated Secondary school. Our argument from the admissions code is that the allocated secondary school is in the opposite direction to where we travel daily, therefore, we would not be adding to traffic congestion if our child went to the preferred secondary school.

Look at what your preferred school offers that you cannot get at any other school, such as specialisms, facilities etc. Why is it important for your child to go to the preferred secondary school?

Good luck with your appeals


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 Post subject: Re: Appeals help!
 Post Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 12:22 pm 
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PS Seek professional help.

There is now a Choice Advisor that you can speak with. Normally based at your local authority, but act independantly. They can talk you through the process, look over your letter/ statement for appeal and help you with questions. They will also be there at the hearing if you want additional support, though I don't think they speak on your behalf. Not sure on that one.

You could also try citizens advice.


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 Post subject: Re: Appeals help!
 Post Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 11:46 am 
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Thats great advice thanks EBEE, we have our appeal in June so will definitely be following your advice, I think we have a good 3 reasons for appealing for our preferred school so hopefully the panel will agree with us, i could not find the tick list on the other site, i will have another look. I might have to PM you EBEE if I get stuck if you dont mind, as you seem to have got it so right with your appeal, i bet you are relieved its all over now and you and your child can just get on with looking forward to september, well done :D


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 Post subject: Re: Appeals help!
 Post Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 5:58 pm 
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Thank you, I cried when the letter came through the post, I was so relieved. The additional stress is when your children have so much more faith in you to get them in than you have in yourself. I so didn't want to let our daughter down. We have never been through a process like this before.

In response to the bit about a check list, when you download the full appeals document from the other site, at the end of each section is a check list. Also look at ACE http://www.ace-ed.org.uk

Any information you can glean to help, it is very important that you get through stage one.

You need to prove that the school has places. It may not have places for all appellants, but you may be able to prove that it has a few, enough to give you a chance to get to stage 2. Many people don't seem to appreciate that if you can't demonstrate any room for more students, you may not get through to an individual case or stage 2.

In our case, we felt trying to prove the preferred secondary school had spaces was really difficult. All of the secondary schools in our town are involved in BSF (Building Schools for the Future). Also, a nearby secondary school is being closed, which means that all of the secondary schools are having to take additional pupils from that closing school. Because of BSF, 30 appeals had been upheld last year, we couldn't see the same happening again and it pushed the school to beyond it's limits really. The allocated secondary school had places (or was undersubscribed) our preferred secondary is heavily oversubscribed, we don't live within the catchment area of the partner primary school and our situation seemed impossible.

I learned from last years prospectus and the previous prospectus that the school had taken on 3 additional fully qualified specialist teachers. That gave a 16:1 pupil teacher ratio, the national average is 16.6:1. Also, the school had been provided with 2 temporary classrooms that hold up to 100 pupils. They had also installed a 3rd temporary classroom worth another 50 places. So I tried to argue on the grounds of them having the capacity to take more.

Find out how many science labs the school has, how many D&T classrooms. Apparently the national average is 150:1 pupils to labs and 250:1 pupils to D&T classrooms.

What are the class sizes, ie, how many students to teachers? Don't get carried away with what the other school doesn't have. Don't turn up and say, you took x amount of pupils last year why can't you do it again this year? Think about it, that is a really weak argument, those pupils haven't left the school, the school just has to rejuggle it's resources.

Another embarassment for us was having to ask for another panellist. It transpired that one of the panellists was a governor from a rival secondary school, the school that had been allocated to our child! - No one else objected despite the fact that their children had also been allocated the same school. :?: It was a good move on our part, we had to wait an extra hour for a 3rd panellist. This offered a good opportunity to try to offer questions to other parents to ask. It is a bit like question time, you ask a question, but don't always get the opportunity to push your point home. If others can ask good probing questions, then that is good for all of you. Don't give away your individual case during this process.

The school also argued on the grounds of Health and Safety. I checked with the Council and no serious incidents had been reported to them.

The school will try to paint a bleak picture, don't let them.

If you can get through to stage 2, then you really need to impress upon the school why your child should attend that school. We were fortunate in that the ofsted report for both schools had been produced within a month of each other and in 2008. In the reports were direct comparisons proving why the allocated school was unsuitable for our child. I think the appeals panel appreciate your research. As posted earlier, the panel is made up of volunteers. How would you feel if you volunteered to hear people put their cases forward for their children and they arrived unprepared, expecting you to just let their child through because they turned up?

I am quite a confident speaker, but I would advise you to prepare a statement to read out. That is the best way to ensure that you don't forget anything important. I used as many facts and statistics as I could find. Don't try to pull the wool over the eyes of the panel. They are intelligent people and if they ask you a question that you can't answer easily, you can be tripped up. Just be honest. It really is the best policy. I read somewhere that someone had given advice about making up personal stuff. It won't work. If you don't feel right about your own argument and feel that you have to be evasive in any way, you can't put your best case forward, so I would ignore that as bad advice. Try to think of questions the panel would be likely to ask. We knew that travel was dodgy for us, but we were able to use it to our advantage by arguing the case for the LA (in the admissions code) about reducing traffic congestion. We thought the authorities would try to argue that we live closer to the allocated school, but it is in the opposite direction to where we normally travel and could state that we would not be adding to congestion to travel to our preferred secondary school.

I wouldn't expect you to state your case on line, their may be other people who are appealling for the same school. But if you have 3 good points as you state, work on them. Make sure they are pretty water tight arguments for the school of your choice. If there are any weaknesses turn them around and make them a strength.

Another question we were asked was about friendships. Attending a school not in our catchment area could put a strain on local friendships. We told the truth and stated that it can be difficult at times, but our child mixes with many children through extra-curricula activities and has friends across the town, so wouldn't be particularly affected.

Hope this helps

Best of luck :)


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 Post subject: Re: Appeals help!
 Post Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 8:17 am 
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Thanks EBEE, thats fantastic, really helpful and lots I was not aware of there. I am not totally sure how we find out if there is room available. I know that last year they had to create a whole new class with a new teacher to make room for the successful appealants, I am not sure if this works in our favour or not, as obviously all those children are still there? :?


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 Post Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 12:54 pm 
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If you have any questions, don't be afraid to ask the LA or the admissions authority, which is the school directly in the case of a foundation school. I asked as many questions as I could think of all over the place. Ask other parents. Do refer to the documents I suggested, they are crammed with info. like the prospectus and the ofsted reports. I won't come back to this site for a while, you need to read relevant documentation now, not stuff that I write. You don't have much time to put your case together. There are no formulas to apply, you can only do your best. :D

Very best of luck


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 Post Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 12:59 pm 
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Cheers Ebee, will get cracking on our case, Thanks again, good luck for the future. :D


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